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kerianawilliams


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Posted: 25 Feb 2007 07:33 PM       Subject: The internet will not babysit your child.
Keriana on MSN and AIM said:

Keriana says:
Adults: Fanfiction is evil!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Um, no. Why?
Keriana says:
Adults: It's porn!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Sometimes. Is that bad?
Adults: YES! Our CHILDREN can access these things!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Um. Your children are writing it.
Keriana says:
Adults: You need to take it off the internet!
Ficcers: ...but, see, we like reading it.
Teenagers: So do we.
Adults: HEATHENS.
Teenagers: We'll ago away.
Ficcers: If you read it, don't TELL anyone. Christ.
Keriana says:
Adults: AND YOU'RE WRITING EXPLICIT HOMOSEXUAL FANFICTION AND MY PRETEEN DAUGHTER FOUND IT.
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Ooh. Did she like it?
Keriana says:
Adults: It scarred her for life!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Oh. Why didn't she click the back button?
Keriana says:
Adults: It shouldn't exist!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Well, some of us like it. Maybe you should monitor her activity on the internet.
Keriana says:
Adults: I was with her at the time!
Keriana says:
Ficcers: ...then why didn't -you- click the back button?
Keriana says:
Adults: YOU'RE ALL DIRTY, PAEDOPHILES.
Keriana says:
Ficcers: ...um. Not really.
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Besides, your kids that you want to protect are probably looking it up anyway.
Keriana says:
Adults: NEVAH.
Keriana says:
Teens: Uh. We are.
Keriana says:
Ficcers: SHUT UP. We can get in trouble for that, you know.
Keriana says:
Teens: Right, right. We'll go back to our corner. What about that Uchihacest, eh?
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Yes, you see worse in the school library.
Keriana says:
Adults: . . . FANFICTION IS EVIL.
Keriana says:
Ficcers: Headdesk OTP.
Keriana says:
Teens: Oi vey.
Keriana says:
Keriana Williams (3:00:57 PM): Wait.. we're supposed to be responsible for the fact that you can't deal with the fact that kids want to read porn to begin with?
Keriana Williams (3:00:58 PM): Oh my god.
Keriana Williams (3:01:00 PM): That's it.
Keriana Williams (3:01:07 PM): It's not that your poor children are scarred by the porn.
Keriana Williams (3:01:15 PM): It's that you're scarred by the idea of your children reading porn!


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samanthajo24


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Posted: 25 Feb 2007 09:39 PM         Subject: RE: The internet will not babysit your child.
How can adults be so oblivious to the fact that their children actually look for porn on the internet?
Young teenagers look at porn because they are either curious and/or find porn Amusing. I mean, if you do not want your children to be looking at porn then why not go to extreame lengths to prevent them from actually going on these sites? Enable access to websites, Keep track on the sites their so called innocent kids go on. There are many things you can do to prevent website access.

Then again, no matter what any parent does, children find ways to go onto these sites. Go to freinds houses and use computers there, use library computers, internet cafes... sooner or later they are going to find porn.

For example, Just recently, I was baby-sitting One of my cousins who has just turned 13, She was on her family computer with her friend. They were gigling alot, so I went up to the office to see what they were up to. When they heard me coming they were struggling to exit a programme. It froze. By the time I got to the computer the internet page was blank but the name of the site was still on the address bar. www.ratemybonar.com or www.ratemybonar.co.uk something like that. I asked them why they went on it, they said it popped up. I told them to go downstairs so I reboot the computer. I look at the internet history and of course they were lying. They did go into the site, and the popup blocker was working and did not block any form of porn or anything related to porn, because no porn pop-ups came up.

I told them I knew they were lying. I told them to be careful because they don't know what type of viruses could come up from sites similar to the one they were on. I said 'if you want to go on porn or look for porn, don't do it on a computer that is not yours to do so.'
I brought the subject up when me and my uncle were having a conversation. He's some type of computer expert. Anyways, I told him that at one point every teen has probably looked at porn or images of naked people, and not to go to harsh on them. He did something to prevent them from going onto the sites on their accounts permanently.
The point is, my uncle and aunt did not blame it on anyone but themselves for not taking the precautions. Yes, my cousins got a lecture on what they did was wrong and they were grounded for 1 week. No Tv, Radio, no computer unless for homework, No DS, No PS3, No going out with friends. Nada anything for that entire week.
And who knows, my cousin and her gigling Girlfreinds have probably gone to other freinds houses to go onto porn and laugh about it. You can't stop them. Porn is everywhere. It's the third biggest industry there is. :? So, Regardless of what that adult says, her kids probably have porn mags under the bed or tucked away in a hiding place she is not aware of. And they proabably feigned that 'OMG! Its scarred me for life' I'm so Innocent expression.
And anways, sooner or later they are going to tire of looking at porn or anything related to it and start thinking about Boyfriends/Girlfriends and sex.
But that is just my opinion. People may not agree with me..?
Lol and keri, what you said at the end of that conversation, I completely agree with you. :D XD
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Posted: 26 Feb 2007 08:18 PM         Subject: RE: The internet will not babysit your child.
Well, my thing is that-- if the kids want to look at porn so badly, let them. They're going to look at it someday, and wouldn't you rather they look at it, and then you talk to them about it, rather than them thinking that's how life is, or going out and HAVING sex, or something? My mom sometimes wishes I hadn't found out about things as early as I did, but she never refused to explain things to me-- which is good, because I would have just found out at school, and looked like an idiot doing it, and probably have gotten a really warped version of what it actually was. (I think the object in question was a condom, which isn't even that bad, really. I found out what it was when I was like 11, though, which is ever so slightly depressing, because we were all discussing this crap at the lunch table in school, and parents still thought we didn't know what sex was, or something.)

To me, grounding your kids for looking at porn isn't the way to go about it. Explain why you don't want them looking at porn, ask them to let you know if they're going to do it, and make sure they know if they screw up their computer, they don't get another one. But grounding them just seems like another way to make porn more desirable (the whole taboo thing is, actually, very real), and they'll just learn to hide it better.

The world is currently ruled by the arbitrary number of 18, which really sucks, because "18" isn't the number of everywhere. In Alaska, legal age of consent (within a two year age range) is 16. (So I can sleep with someone 19, but not someone 25. Also no teachers, policemen, etc, but I wouldn't be the one getting in trouble for it.)

What cracks me up even more, however, is when people pull out the "mature adults" thing. An overwhelming amount of adults aren't mature. I consider myself to be more mature than the adults who try to get websites shut down just because they can't handle the idea of fanfiction. The back button is there for a reason-- why don't you use it? I know I do. Browsing Japanese fanart sites is hit or miss, and I -abuse- the back button, because I really don't want to see a lot of the art they find kinky, but I do want some nice artwork of Death Note, so.

Maturity, to me, involves knowing what you like, and not making everyone else conform to that vision. If you dislike sex in all forms, fine, but recognize not everyone else does. If you love sex in all forms, that's great, but be considerate of everyone else. Nobody should have to make the entire internet safe for one person. It's the old adage of "we're not writing exclusively for you".

And, seriously, "Flowers in the Attic" is more disturbing than most of what I've found on the internet, and it's a published novel available in most elementary libraries. Shudder.
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samanthajo24


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Posted: 27 Feb 2007 06:22 AM         Subject: RE: The internet will not babysit your child.
I agree with what you say.
My uncle and aunt are very strict about things like this. But they worry, as all parents do I guess. The main reason they got grounded was because the whole computer virus thing. They knew all about what can cause viruses but they ignored it when they had once been told before.
I donít think my uncle likes to talk about sex or anything like that with his daughters. I'm not to sure about his sons; I think he talks to them about it when they ask questions. So he leaves the sex subject to my aunt to explain to the girls. But I don't think they have ever asked him anything, anyways.

I also agree that if your children ask about sex or porn or anything related, you answer their questions and explain to them what it is all about, regardless, of their age. Okay, Maybe not when they are really really really young.

I remember when I was 10 or 11 I already knew a lot about sex because it was explained to me. So, when sex ed came around I already knew quite a bit about it. It's kind of weird actually, all my cousins, they don't like to ask their parents about sex because they get embarrassed. So they either come to me or my older sister and we tell them what they want to know. One of my cousins who is 9 asked me what a Condom was and why do people use them. I asked her why she didnít ask her mum, she said because she is shy. I explained it to her then and since then they always ask us questions. I donít really mind if they ask because one day they will find out themselves. I tend to tell them about STI's & STD's so they are aware of what they could catch if they do decide to have sex and if you can be cured of it or not, if you do catch anything. I think the one they were most repulsed by was Genital warts and Herpes. I showed them pictures of from a book at the library. They call me 'Their Information source.' :shock: I don't think their parents mind me talking to them about it. They say 'at least the kids have someone to talk to when they don't want to talk to us.' Ö. I donít mind really.

"But grounding them just seems like another way to make porn more desirable"

On that note, I completely agree with you. They will find it more desirable and continue to search for porn. Like I said, you can't stop them from finding things. I disagree with my uncle for grounding them, even if it was about the whole virus thing. [when I babysat for them the next time during that same week, I let them go on the computer and use ps3 and watch TV. I felt bad for them. I also felt bad after because I went against my aunt and uncle's decisions. But I thought it was really harsh just because they could have brought on a virus. I told them afterwards though that I let them use the ps3, comp & tv.] I'm a softy :shock: well... thats what my aunt said. :roll: But then again so is she.. when my uncle was at work she let them do anything because she also felt bad. I think after 5 days my uncle just let them off saying that they have been told about 3 times about the virus subject. I'm not to sure, but that it was what one of my cousins told me :?

Some parents are really against telling their children anything, and they do all they can to stop them from finding anything. I personally don't agree with it. But if parents really are concerned about it then it is their decision. Their kids will probably end up resenting them or they will just go and search what they want and do what they want. Thats what happened to a close friend of mine. She became pregnant. Her mum and Dad said she had to get an abortion but she never did. I havenít seen her in about a year. I think she moved away from the whole 'small town' life because of stupid gossipers that don't know how to put a sock in it.

The world is currently ruled by the arbitrary number of 18, which really sucks, because "18" isn't the number of everywhere. In Alaska, legal age of consent (within a two year age range) is 16.


In britain the legal age of consent is 16 too. I was looking up some information on the age you can legally have sex in Portugal. The legal age is 14/16.
In some countries there's a legal age for when you can have same gender sex. For example, In the Bahamas, male-male & female-female sex is 18, While Female-Male legal age of sex is 16.

But the table is only a general guide. Here is the site if anyone wants to take a look. http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

But yeah... I don't think you should deprive children of the information they want because they will find out one way or another.

(Sorry, I typed this out really quickly. So, there might be some grammar mistakes and repetitions of things Iíve already said because I havenít looked over it.) :shock:
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Posted: 27 Feb 2007 08:10 AM         Subject: RE: The internet will not babysit your child.
What I love about consent laws is that in America, they're actually illegal in some ways/places. Ahh, it looks like all the laws against m/m and f/m sex have finally been repealed or invalidated-- previously, quite a few of the Bible Belt states (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, etc) had same-sex sex as illegal at any age. Looks like it's 16/16/16 for Alaska, which is cool.

Yeah, the virus thing sucks. You should have seen it when ZoneAlarm died on me-- I unplugged the internet and refused to go online until my friend helped me reinstall it. (It was bugged out, for some reason.) So I have about three firewalls, a virus scanner, and two spyware scanners... Yeah. Plus, I have this nifty Firefox plugin that means no flash/etc videos will load unless I okay them, so most popups don't even work. It's lovely, I tell you. (And then the build in popup blocker..)

I've learned a lot of what I wanted to know online. There's this LJ comm I quietly stalk, as it's mostly intended for adults, I think (although I didn't SEE any "18+ only kthx" warnings on the userinfo), and it has lots of interesting things about sex. (Fanficrants, if you're curious. That site is a lesser God, I swear... I have a browser dedicated to CFUD tabs, and a browser dedicated to FFR tabs, and a browser dedicated to everything else, at this point. It's kinda sad. I'm reading my way through the archives! =D)

I don't understand the 'let's shelter our poor little kids' mentality. I mean... even if they are sheltered... what happens when they hit college? They're going to be in for some scary world changes.

(short, but it's 4am, and we're basically just agreeing with each other at this point..)
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